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February 15th, 2013

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MGTOW Make More Sense Than MRA’s

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There has been a gradual awakening among men. Over the last decade, the ease of access to information that would typically be excluded from mainstream media has allowed fringe ideas to flourish. The mens rights movement in particular has come along in leaps and bounds, much of it initially spurred on by average guys who were just looking to get laid at first. Evidence has been gradually compiled and built up to the point where rational men have begun to realize that while they need to improve themselves and offer more, there is indeed a real underlying problem with western society and western women. There is no need to go into any great detail on how destructive feminism has been to men, women, the family or society as whole (I would only be preaching to the converted here) However, men as a whole are gradually starting to realize that they are getting a pretty raw deal.

The Mens Rights Activists have gained some traction of late and they have their hearts in the right place. I just fear that it’s a complete waste of time trying to campaign for any meaningful change. Our systems of education and educational institutions, throughout the Western world, are so liberally biased that they have become nothing short of indoctrination camps, churning out armies of students and gullible chodes who take up employment in media, government, civil service, education, and all manner of positions where their beliefs dictate their activities and actions.

Feminism’s foundations are based in egalitarianism, which means that for MRA’s to find any sort of mainstream recognition they are going to have to prove that discrimination against men is not justified, if you can even force them to concede that there is widespread discrimination in the first place. MRA’s, much like any other politically incorrect movement, simply do not control modern language or have any influence on it. Which means for every valid argument made, the counter argument will be accusations of bigotry, paranoia and bitterness. There is no rational debate to ever be had, only the inevitable outcome where you will be shamed into silence regardless of how sound an argument you make. It has become an exercise in futility, because movements based on egalitarian principles are often irrational movements based on an irrational premise held together by irrational arguments, yet they are regarded as politically correct and and infallible regardless.

Simply put, you cannot beat cultural Marxists at their own game when they constantly redefine the rules at their whim, and you cannot discredit feminism as a movement when its foundations are rooted in extreme egalitarian principle either. Feminism is one cog in a huge machine and you are not fighting feminism alone, you are fighting a particularly irrational pattern of thought that pervades most egalitarian principles, of which feminism is one just aspect. All the logical arguments, backed up with all the empirical evidence in the world is simply never going to challenge an entire ideology that is based on nothing more than good feelings and wishful thinking.

The best form of protest from men is rather simple, and it can be summed up best as simple indifference. Men built the world. They built the systems that run the world. They developed the philosophies those systems are built from. They invent the tools that help them build those systems. Everything from basic modern conveniences to necessities like food and water are only made available because somewhere a man is getting shit done or because he solved a problem that needed fixing. This is a mans world because we built it. Every brick and every nail.

There is a reason why the Googles of the world are not being started by women or why the cure for cancer probably wont come from a woman either. There are reasons why men need to dig the ditches and pour the concrete. It’s because at the end of the day there is a natural order of things that no amount of social engineering is ever going to change. Attempts to do so will only result in eventual systemic collapse, which is why this current social experiment is on borrowed time. Feminists and modern-day politicians buying votes are eventually going to run out of other people’s money, and when they do there is simply not going to be a way to fund the numerous programs required that allow women to compete with men or survive without them. Their ideology was never based on reality and has been built on the foundations of prosperity that were laid by men in the first place.

Which is why the “Men Going Their Own Way” movement that has sprung up may indeed be the best form of protest we have, along with being the most realistic. I was skeptical at first and thought it extreme, but upon reflection over the years I have come to realize that there is no better form of peaceful protest than our indifference. As a philosophy in itself, its entire purpose is one of protest through inaction. The bottom line is that men are simply being taken for granted now, and it’s reached the point where men are really faced with few options.

They can embrace the status quo, which marginalises them to the detriment of society. They can protest, which leads to substantial conflict as progressives reject the emergence of what they would classify as a movement based on hatred and bigotry. Or they can simply eject, which essentially leaves women and society to fend for itself without men breaking their backs for the cause selflessly. All options lead to systemic collapse anyway, the last option though is the least painful for men and one that teaches everyone a damn good lesson along the way.

If women are leaving the kitchen and the family, then men need to leave the building and the city. You can do this by simply living for yourself and acting no differently to the army of self-absorbed, entitled, narcissistic bitches that are being produced in droves. Live the carefree, selfish life women lead instead. Make everything in your life about you and your feelings, and what suits you as an individual, rather than your community. You have no obligation to society other than living within the law, and you are free to move to a place where the laws are more suitable for you if you wish.

Women and society have taken men for granted for too long, and the selfless actions of men are not appreciated as much as they are outright demanded now.

Fuck that, you don’t owe anyone shit. Your loyalty should lie with your family and with your friends who return your loyalty, but that is as far as it should go . Do what you want and put yourself first now. Your acts of selflessness are no longer appreciated, they are resented and therefore wasted. If you want to play video games everyday or spend your free time fixing cars, do it without shame. If you want to notch up 200 club sluts or spend your spare time hunting, do it without shame. If you want to marry and have kids, do it because its what you want, not because you feel society or anyone else expects it of you, and do it on your god damned terms or not at all.

This has begun already, even if it does not seem like a conscious decision many men have made. Underneath the surface, there is massive undercurrent of inaction and we are seeing it in the gradual decline of the west as a whole. Men are checking out. Men are rejecting marriage or putting it off and marriage rates are in decline. We are seeing the emergence of shaming language like “Peter Pan Syndrome” or the media demanding that men “Man Up,” which just shows how more and more men are going their own way, and they are scared shitless. We will probably see things like bachelor taxes in our lifetime as demographics change to the point where tax revenue declines, and expect political pressure to be heaped on men as everyone gets more hysterical.

Pump them and dump them boys, let God sort them out.

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About the Author

is a bitter, angry, misogynist with a small penis and highly insecure infatuation with contact sports. Refusing to man up and contribute positively to society, Harry travels the world taking advantage of poor, third world women while he swindles innocent businessmen in the boardrooms of numerous developing countries. Outright intimidated by sassy, intelligent, super awesome modern women, Harry is an ignorant bigot of epic proportions that mortifies the cultural sensibilities of any typical progressive westerner. He likes to share his views with complete strangers as he comes to terms with the constant shame he feels. Deep down he really just wants someone to actually like him.

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  • Flipemeverywhichway

    Next to last paragraph is gold.

    The about the author column is platinum.

    • Phinn

      The About the Author paragraph is truly awesome, but I feel like it’s missing something … maybe a reference to his Mommy Issues?

      • Flipemeverywhichway

        Hm..yeah it definitely needs some statements that have no substance. Some classic feminist pop psych shaming talking points are missing from it.

        “He has issues”

        “Who hates his mom”

        And the classic which reduces the value of women to nothing but a Vagina,

        “He cant get laid”

      • Apollo

        Dont forget that he requires some professional help for his issues.

        And hes bitter because hes been badly hurt by a woman before.

        And, I dont know, maybe some fifties throwback stuff about wanting women to be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen?

      • Mark

        He is also teh ghey and cannot get a girlfriend because he creeps women out. Google the Catalog of Anti-Male Shaming Tactics to learn the rest.

  • Danger

    I agree that one should already be living life for oneself.

    However, the flaw in the MGTOW is that as long as taxes are there (and ever increasing) on the wealth builders of society, you are not really going your own way. You are a slave which supports the misandric system.

    We can act in our own self-interest all we want, but at the end of the day your resources will be extracted by the point of a gun.

    Like it or not, MGTOW need the MRA, as it is the MRA who will be the teeth against the beast when things really start to get nasty. They will be the men who are not indifferent to their slavery and will actually fire the shots necessary when real tyranny arrives.

    • Spider58x

      Not really. You see, i live in another country so that i don’t have to support this system with my tax dollars while doing what ever the fuck i want. So yes, i am really going my own way. =)

      MRA’s are chihuahua’s barking at Pitbulls. LOL!!!

      • Danger

        If you live in one of a few specific countries, then you may be ok for now.

        But if you think MGTOW is the right answer in perpetuity, you have not yet realized that you are still just collared dogs who think they are free when they run around a fenced yard.

        Sooner or later, you will have to face the “machine”.

      • P Ray

        However, the flaw in the MGTOW is that as long as taxes are there (and ever increasing) on the wealth builders of society, you are not really going your own way. You are a slave which supports the misandric system.
        The state can only begin taxation once you go over a certain threshold … or they have welfare to fall back on … or the wealth of the country is filtered with those at the top taking the most.
        Where does that put the guy who works for himself?
        Not in any kind of distance to be interfered with, if he either:
        1. works through cash-in-hand enterprises
        or
        2. underdeclares what he earns

        Don’t forget that companies treat people like slaves now, and office politics is heavily the norm, not your ability to do the work.
        Being a wage slave means being a daily participant of the 8-hour (at least) slog of “Survivor” at the office.

      • Danger

        P Ray,

        If you are suggesting to stop work altogether and collect welfare payments, then yes that is another way to shunt the system.

        But let’s be honest, the spirit of MGTOW is one of walking away from commiting to women or supporting them.

        How many are honestly walking away from jobs as well?

        And if men truly stopped working en masse, do you really think .gov would suddenly decide to eliminate those taxes and stop channeling your own money against you in an effort to get you back to work???

        No, they would reduce entitlements and such ala Greece.

        Your Government does not give one $hit about you, only what you can provide for their power over you and the rest of society.

        Like I said in my first post…….sooner or later…….men will have to face “the machine”. That goes for the MGTOWers as well.

    • TheRookie

      MRAs are wrong because they think they should have to beg for their rights and ask for stupid things like subsidies for men and a President’s Council on Men and Boys. Yes, this is what Warren Ferrell actually advocates. He says, “they have a women’s council so we want a men’s council!”

      This is utterly retarded. If you are going to be an activist, don’t argue for egalitarianism and subsidies, laws, regulations, and taxes that benefit your interest group. Argue for the end of subsidies and endless regulations, laws, and taxes. Otherwise you are just one more pig at the trough like all the other countless liberal interest groups.

      • Danger

        I agree that particular request is retarded, but to extrapolate that to all of MRA land is fallacy.

      • Stuki Moi

        This is true on a very fundamental level.

        In any historical society, women have always attempted to influence the behavior of others by bickering and intrigue. IOW, by means similar to contemporary politics.

        While men traditionally held themselves to a higher standard. One of, if you don’t bother me and mine; I’ll stay away from you and yours. But if you do bother me, I’ll kill you.

        And, when the latter “system” comes into conflict with the former, the latter always win. There is no amount of “cultural marxism” that is able to stand up to neither bullets nor bombs.

        Men don’t ask, nor do they really need to quarrel much, since they don’t really need much from anyone else, other than some minimal assurance of being left largely alone. One of the greatest tragedies that caused toe downfall of the West, was when former men starting falling for the drivel that that they were no longer capable of getting by on their own; and that from then on, they too would be better off by joining the hencircle as they bitch and quarrel and otherwise try to influence the new “man”, government, to provide for them.

      • Mike 2

        Rookie +1

        Stuki +1

      • P Ray

        In any historical society, women have always attempted to influence the behavior of others by bickering and intrigue. IOW, by means similar to contemporary politics.
        Women elect men who are married so that they have influence through the wife.
        If things succeed “It’s because this man listened to us”.
        If things fail “If women were in charge, this problem would not exist”.
        They want the credit without the responsibility.

    • Stuki Moi

      For those who aspire to MGTOW, hiding as much activity and wealth from taxation as possible is a, even the, moral maxim. Transact anonymously, with others who do the same, via Bitcoin or cash or gold or whatever. Give the appearance of owning nothing.

      Then, try to ensure that the oppressors have to expend resources on you. Bleed the Beast. I once listened to a speech by a Fundamentalist Mormon, who had 30 “girlfriends”, each with children, and collecting welfare as a single parent. Proper payback, according to both him and decency, for the occupying force for occupying Utah. And, all children home schooled, to be just as unmoved by the indoctrinators as he was.

      On a formal level, if you manage to cost the oppressors more than they can extract from you, you ARE weakening them. Which is one salient feature of the “Occupy movement”, despite their often cuckoo ideology. Tying up New York police officers paid combined yearly salaries of millions just to watch over them, while not paying a dime in taxes, does incrementally weaken the oppressors; hastening the day they will collapse; for the benefit of all decent people. Where Occupy fails, is they don’t even realize this, and if they did, many would feel bad about it. That’s how well indoctrinated they mostly are. But hey, as long as they extract net resources from the oppressors, that is resources not available for oppressing me.

      And similar goes for the so called “terrorists.” As of current, no Muslim of any persuasion have done me much harm. And neither are any of them the ones ding their darndest to prevent me from procuring the means to defend myself against them, if they one day should decide to try doing me harm. Right now, they are basically working as a sponge, sucking resources away from the world’s true evil (or even terrorists, in a moral sense), the progressives. Which makes them a-ok with me. The enemy of my enemy, and all that……

      So, MGTOW’ is good, IF those practicing it manage to be net resource drains on Leviathan. Bleed the scum dry, pray every night for their extinction, and remember, there is no thing worse in this world than progressivism, of which feminism and misandry are only subsets. For real. Every change away fro progressivism is a positive, no matter how hellish and crazy it may be presented by the lackeys on TV.

      • Samseau

        Problem with online currencies is you known they’ll just get banned, as all alternative currencies do.

      • Stuki

        Bitcoin is awfully ban resistant. It’s entirely distributed, meaning a copy of every transaction exists “everywhere.” And, the more popular it gets (it’s booming right now), the tougher it gets to maliciously affect it in any way.

        As of current in most of the West, it seems the biggest impediment to it’s increased use as value store, is people’s fear of losing it. Losing one’s private key, having a hacker steal it and with it ones savings etc., etc.

        Note that this is in comparison to what most (at least SWPLs) consider the relative “safety” of storing their savings in a bank, home, gold, stocks etc. BUT, as we red pillers all know, the fact that someone intent on robbing you stops by a judge on the way to “legitimize” the act, makes it no less of a real robbery. Hence, it becomes increasingly important to protect ones assets from this, modern, way of theft, than from the more old fashioned one.

        Which is where Bitcoin has the potential to really shine. If you look like you’ve got nothing, you’re not much of a target, for neither Venezuelan kidnappers, Tuareg highway robbers, nor American lawyers nor taxfeeding leeches.

        And that is in addition to all the other benefits of Bitcoin; cheap, potentially very anonymous payment mediation across the entire world. Silk Road is still operating publicly under the nose of the DEA, for example. As are, I’m sure, pedophile file sharers. And you’d think freedom fighter/terrorist funders as well. Yet, for all attempts at demonization by the likes Schumer, it’s use is still growing by leaps and bounds.

    • http://colonelcrimson.wordpress.com colonelcrimson

      You’re only a slave to the system if you make yourself a slave to money and politics. I can disagree with the president or the tax rates all I want, but there’s ultimately not a damn thing I can do about them. Like George Carlin said, this country was bought and paid for a long time ago. So I can get myself all worked up about that fact (thus becoming a slave) or I can follow my own pursuits and my own path to happiness, which I’ve found doesn’t require as much money as one may think.

  • anon1

    surely it should be hari?

    • Hari or Harry? (confusedmale25@yahoo.com)

      No, Haribol!

  • secret

    powerful essay harry(with photo of bhojpuri movie star from india)
    My divorce is finalized and i am now joining MTOW voluntarily ..so please don’t delete post from your fellow brother.
    if you allow me to post,please read these hilarious articles in very liberal MSM propaganda mouthpieces:
    America’s Baby Bust:http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323375204578270053387770718.html?mod=WSJ_article_comments#articleTabs%3Dcomments

    The Underpopulation Bomb
    http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/02/11/the-underpopulation-bomb/

    M

    • Evil Girl

      You want the masses to breed forever and consume until there’s no resource left and human extinct? The elites love the planet and people that’s why we have feminists and homosexuals higher education to slowly humanely reduce the population instead of elites releasing a super virus or nuking the masses. The elites are preparing the welfare masses to go to the moon and if they refuse to work their air gets cut off.

      • Dillon

        1/10

      • The Artist Formerly Known As -

        Just like this smart Norwegian girl says – never mind the population, the planet should be saved!

      • Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

        Two words, for every eugenicist/overpopulation espouser out there:

        You First.

    • David

      EvilGirl,

      The cliches you spewed about the evil over-consuming mankind (wanna throw in a few similar cliches like the “oppressive patriarchy” while you’re at it?) has been utterly destroyed in economic theory, scientific study, and common sense observation since Thomas Malthus first began popularizing the fear.

      From the Wall Street Journal article linked: “….[As] the work of economists Esther Boserups and Julian Simon demonstrated, growing populations lead to increased innovation and conservation. Think about it: Since 1970, commodity prices have continued to fall and America’s environment has become much cleaner and more sustainable—even though our population has increased by more than 50%. Human ingenuity, it turns out, is the most precious resource.

      And, on a related note of debunking fears of “overpopulation”, here’s a video from the great site OverpopulationIsAMyth: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZVOU5bfHrM

      • Evil Girl

        Look overpopulation is a real problem. I do not blame men for this overpopulation problem i blame women and the catholic church. Women are truely helpless without men.Women are physically and mentally weaker than a man so therefore to survive Us women gets pregnant by a man.This is all fine when there were less human and tons of resources but now there’s billions of humans and the elites are clearing the farm of the most useless eaters, women. They are 1000x more brutal to women(in the west especially) then to men.You see the denver murals here:
        http://vigilantcitizen.com/sinistersites/sinister-sites-the-denver-international-airport/
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRRyBJnRlpQ
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExIHR2JTDBk
        you see the elites depict dead women in caskets holding babies but you do not see men. That’s why women are being induced into feminism but not men.

      • David

        I love how blowhards always begin their bullshit with, “Look”. As if anybody is gonna take orders from this limp-dick douche.

        Yeah, it’s all a Catholic conspiracy. Everybody has seen how great and powerful the Vatican has been over the past decade – what with all the wars they protest getting waged anyway, the trumped-up media show about a pedophile epidemic, and constant mocking in Western entertainment….they’re huge!

        Anyway, yeah, overpopulation is a scam and it’s facially stupid perpetrated on morons like you with no grasp of biology or economics.

        And if you’re worried about it, then just kill yourself rather than trying to tell other people how to live. Nobody’s gonna stop you, I promise.

      • Evil Girl

        No, i will not kill my self. I want to be alive as long as possible to watch the elites wage war on the masses and herd the masses to the moon.People like you think 1) Resources are limitless, 2) Earth is not overpopulated, 3) are against abortion yet they complain when tax money is used for welfare. I bet you are a hunter you are okay with keeping the animals population in check but when it comes to humans you are a hypocrite. There’s a reason the elites spare African bush men, amish, etc, from their rule. Every ancient society practiced nature worship and pantheism. they reproduced responsibly and if there were too much people versus resources, they would kill them(the lazy,weak,useless) by ritual sacrifice.
        You don’t think humans can become extinct then look at Easter island or st.matthew island the reindeer consumesd all the resource. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Matthew_Island.

        Here is the quote from Agent smith in the Matrix movie(Made by the elites) “I’d like to share a revelation that I’ve had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species and I realized that you’re not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surroundings environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You’re a plague and we are the cure. “

      • Evil Girl

        http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/what-wiped-out-st-matthew-islands-reindeer

        You think there is an underpopulation problem because you listen to fox news you think the whole world / trillions of people can fit into Texas without thinking about resources. The elites(JEWS DO NOT OWN THE WORLD) own both fox news and CNN so of course on one side they say overpopulation and on the other underpopulation to confuse the masses to depopulate (HUMANELY) behind the scenes. The truth is there is an overpopulation and the catholic church/religion is to blame for this. Back in the day, humans lived a short life so the catholic church/religion/ (ELITES) needed more slaves to build their empires so they say be fruitful and multiply in their bibles/Koran etc. Now there are too many slaves and empires are already built the elites do not need more slaves so they created the catholic church scandal for religion to disappear slowly. In the near future, robots will replace some human jobs.The elites created feminism because women being the unthinking gender fear their husbands leaving them so they turn to the elites which offer women more security.They fell for it. Women in the west are made to wear pant suits in office and women, in the middle east to wear burkas to keep them from looking attractive to men/mate with men. You don’t think feminism touched middle east? HERE http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/muslim-fertility-rates-dropping-faster-than-western-fertility-rates/
        Middle east , Burka + RELIGION+education + women only cities=population decline
        The West/Rest of the world,Pantsuits + ATHEISM+ Education + women only colleges= population decline
        This MOST HUMANE WAY to depopulate so no need for war or super virus. If the elites wanted to they could just drop the hammer and nuke the masses but nuking is uncontrollable they rather trick the masses to gain more power from them than force.

      • gunslingergregi

        nice david

  • Long John

    This article is written by a bitter, angry, misogynist with a small penis and highly insecure infatuation with contact sports :D

  • Adam Dal Bello

    Hear, hear! Cutting edge theory, and a useful one at that. My environment has slowly funneled me to this conclusion.

  • starting to shrug

    One point I’d disagree with is “You have no obligation to society other than living within the law.” Our government officials, elected and appointed, have demonstrated quite publicly that there is no obligation to follow the law if it does not suit you for some reason. One massive example is the blatant refusal to obey and enforce immigration laws but there is no shortage of other examples. The only law to be recognized is force. If they can’t force you to comply your own moral compass is the only consideration.

  • Uncle Elmer

    “MRA” is a loosely applied moniker and somewhat innacurate as few men want to engage in the tedium of “activism”. Most are simply voting with their feet, which they can do from the comfort of their own keyboards. Women however love activism and the drama that it entails. They must be surprised sometimes when they “get their way” on yet another stupid genderquality initiative when all they were doing was trying to shit-test us.

    • Dillon

      Great post.

  • Isaac Jordan

    Amen.

    Like Roissy said a while back, the best way to fight against feminism is to give the girls EXACTLY what they asked for.

    Time to pump ‘n dump like it’s my job.

  • http://morenewyorknews.wordpress.com secret

    my comments are not getting posted…

  • http://morenewyorknews.wordpress.com secret

    http://morenewyorknews.wordpress.com/2013/02/15/ha-ha/
    So i can surmise some things i have noticed.You know i can’t post them anywhere on internet.My posts are removed instantly.Don’t know why.
    1)MGTOW is perfect deterrence to feminism and institutionalized misandry.Without enough males giving up their own money in form of divorce settlement,alimony,child care payment..average feminists women are going to lose huge money(it might be 10-20 billion in US per year and it can be anything from 100-600 billion of direct transfers including every country of world).But feminists in education,govt jobs,media,business will be very rich for their entire lives.Fact is fact.
    2) MRA do have their role to play but i agree with you…no law will be changed atleast for next 100 years..It simply won’t happen with so many white nights and manginas.

  • Bub

    Great post. What I think many people are just beginning to realize is that TPTB are not just empty suits, for the most part, but paper tigers as well. This shit show of “authority” that we see everyday (politicians, academics and phony experts, media hacks) would not stand up to a real challenge. Don’t feed the beast.

  • PUMPsix

    The only problem I can see with MGTOW is that when society starts to seize up, in how ever many years, then crime rates will also climb.

    • Evil Girl

      The elites build society and are always 1000 steps ahead of the masses. They won’t let society collapse.

  • Korg

    Going galt?

    Bit of a dated idea. Did it work for the libertarians?

    • Dillon

      Lol it’s not dated. It’s a natural proccess that happens regardless of wether or not the people “galting out” are even aware of what their doing.

    • John Galt2

      Yes, very well thank you.

  • Quintus Curtius

    As the system lurches toward collapse, history suggests that we will see the following social and political developments take place. These may happen even faster than we think. Never underestimate the power of momentum in historical events:
    1. As feminism has corroded the family as the basis of social order, we will see increased levels of banditry, lawlessness, and antisocial behavior. This is beginning to happen now.
    2. The power system will be increasingly inclined to rely on force, or the threat of force, to keep men in line. Expect new “lists” to put people on who don’t conform to the orthodoxy. Expect passport restrictions. Expect to be arrested on the slightest pretext.
    3. We may even see the rise of a “third sex”. This is the asexual creature that cannot be easily identified as either male or female. Overly feminized men and excessively butch women fit into this category. Their values will be promoted, encouraged, and propagated. As America’s social core rots at its base, this class will scream loudest for entitlements, privilege, and acceptance.
    4. America’s political and economic power will continue to decline, as a result of falling birthrates, excessive taxation, and an economy that is unable to offer anything but militarism at home and abroad. Again, the tendency will be increased despotism from the top as the only way to keep things in order. Inflation and currency debasement will erode the value of the dollar. In short, America will be the collapse of Rome replayed at 21st century speeds.
    5. Expect exchange controls, passport controls, and desperate measures by the government to keep everyone in line.
    It ain’t looking good, guys. Exile is looking like a better and better option.

  • JP

    The moment bachelor taxes are instituted expect to see capital flight and even more men dropping out/turning to crime.

    It is the standard pattern all empires follow. When they reach their end, they begin to denigrate and oppress the very people who were responsible for the empire’s grandeur.

  • prepman

    Escape is easy for those with the skills, knowledge and confidence to build the next great civilization.

    Brawn without Borders!

    Going Galt is not that tough. It works. I’m on my way out. You’re welcome to keep my decades of work and hundreds of thousands of dollars of forced taxes to pay for this great social and political experiment if you’ll just leave me alone from here on out.

    Elites rarely build anything. They just use their intellects to control what other build to their own benefit. Why do you think that the industry with the highest average IQ is lawyers. They’re not building shit. They just manipulate the system to extract large sums of money for themselves — whether through legal actions or politics. But, they’ll claim that they were instrument in building the world.

    The ability to make money is only as good as the money that is made. Pray that you have more to offer than your balance sheet. As a man’s money deteriorates in value, so does the man made of only money.

    Men, you’ve got to learn to do more than write code and write blog posts. You’re going to have to learn how to be real men again and build, fix and maintain the things that support life and society. Then, and only then can you confidently support lifestyle into the future. If you can do that, then it matters not what everyone else is doing. And, you’ll still have access to the best pussy whenever and wherever you want it.

    • P Ray

      Men, you’ve got to learn to do more than write code and write blog posts. You’re going to have to learn how to be real men again and build, fix and maintain the things that support life and society.
      Poor students who happen to be interested in technology can do all of that.
      The only price is sexual access to a woman they find attractive, frequently and with little drama.
      Until then men will try to provide alone for themselves.
      Agreeing to any other situation is choosing to be a chump.

  • bacon

    is it not some rule of economics that people will adjust behavior based on if something is a net benefit or negative to them and if something is a benefit they will work get more of it and if something is a negative they work to avoid it. well if marriage continues to become a net negative for men the numbers of never married with continue to grow.

    i think most men who think even somewhat criticially realize they are getting the short end of the stick and nothing is being done to change that. shit if society is not looking out for you(men) why should you feel any regret for not playing along with societial expectations of (marriage, family, child rearing). mgtow is just the logical by product of that. after all this movement is not global in scope, its almost entirely limited to western developed countries deeply satuarated in feminism.

    • Apollo

      Yep its a simple principle, not just of economics, but also of human nature, and its thus. People respond to incentives.

      It should be obvious to everyone who pays even the slighest bit of attention, because there is evidence for it everywhere. People in our society do undergo a lot of liberal conditioning however, and this can prevent some of them from realising that some of the particular things you are talking about (marriage, investing in a society that offers you nothing, etc) are in fact counter to their interests. The information is getting out there however, and as this happens I believe we are going to see more and more men saying “screw this” to the idea of investing in this society in any way other than what benefits themselves.

      Feminism is all about giving women empowerment and choices without any consideration given as to how it effects society or men, and a society cant survive, let alone prosper when half of its members are looking out only for themselves. Feminism is dug in too deep withint all of the corridors of power now to remove, certainly within my lifetime, so I dont see the utility to trying to do so. MGTOW seems to be the only sensible option.

  • Filed

    The only thing let to do is to help “burst” the misandry bubble: http://www.singularity2050.com/2010/01/the-misandry-bubble.html

  • Dillon

    I basically agree, but just wanted to point out(as others have), that the MRM was a feminist thing to begin with. They accepted many of the worst presuppositions of feminism(like that gender neutrality is possible or even desirable in the first place).

    I’d say that pegs them squarely in the category of egalitarian dumbasses who love to argue with gravity about simple things. They are just what feminists would be if feminists were capable of being fair or rational. However, all of their thought is still based on far-fetched feminist/egalitarian premises. Going “red pill” means that you reject all of that safe childish feel-good bullshit completely and totally.

    I agree that MGTOW is a much better idea, although a lot of what I hear from them is unfortunately still in the same vein as MRA’s, and really has nothing to do with going your own way.

  • Sam Spade

    Agree with this. I can’t get into “movements.” I’m interested in MY happiness – not changing society through organizations and politics. That takes way too fucking long, and the people involved take things too seriously. What’s easier – reshaping society (impossible), or reshaping YOUR life and choosing the women that work for you? You can fight for mens rights but chances are by the time you die little will have changed. However, you can make drastic changes to your own life, starting right now, with very little cost.

  • Days of Broken Arrows

    Here is what he means on a personal level.

    When I was 24-25 I dated a succession of 18-year-olds with no thoughts, ever, of settling down. Eventually, I felt I had to “grow up,” thanks to both the pressure of my family and society. So I did. I don’t want to get into details, but it didn’t turn out so well.

    Now I’m back to where I was in those days. And although 18-year-olds are too young, the best option seems to find the equivalent of what I did then and not get into a “serious relationship” or marriage.

    • P Ray

      For most women, you are always dating the 18 year old version anyway.
      Might as well get the looks that match the mind.
      After all, they want something real … and you deserve that in return too.

  • lakerlynx

    As Hillary Clinton recently told the Senate panel investigating the Benghazi incident “what difference does it really make at this point?” This is my new motto. As men, our efforts to produce more than we need for ourselves, and to protect and nurture society, are not rewarded, they are scorned. So what difference does it make? Just do the minimum you need to get by, to support yourself and your loved ones. Then, do whatever you want and don’t get too worked up about this hell the cultural marxists are creating.

    I also believe this has all happened before, and only the workings of natural law (or call it God if you wish) will sort it out. As the Bible says (Isaiah Ch 3:16-17):

    “Because the daughters of Zion are haughty, and walk with stretched forth necks and wanton eyes, walking and mincing as they go, and making a tinkling with their feet:therefore the Lord will strike with a scab the heads of the daughters of Zion, and the Lord will lay bare their secret parts”

  • gb

    Yup. Whole time I was reading the article I was thinking what the author wrote at the end ‘they are scared shitless.’ Here is more women talking about it http://hbr.org/2013/03/the-silent-sex/ar/1
    Funny to see them wondering why men aren’t making a big talky talk stink. Have some more rope and eat your cake ladies, eat your cake.

    • Mark

      Thanks gb. I left a note. I suggest we all do the same with upvotes and breadcrumbs to the manosphere.

  • Mark Minter

    Here MGTOW pledge I saw on a site. The interesting thing is that is copyrighted with a date of 2006.

    —–
    The Men Have Left The Building

    The men have left the movie theater for the video game.

    The men have left the television studio for the internet.

    The men have left the temple for authentic spirituality.

    The men have left the retail store for the online store.

    The men have left the marriage cage for the bachelor sky.

    The men have left the college for the self-education university.

    The men have left the corporate office for the entrepreneur office.

    The men have left the Anglosphere for their own sphere.

    Welcome to tomorrow.
    ——–

    Yet, on some MRA sites, there is more progress than I had thought. There are legal actions, suits against universities, particular aggregations over particular cases like father’s rights cases that call publicity and provide local editorials. So all it not just whining. When you get a couple of million men together, inevitably one or two will be lawyers or court clerks and can offer some idea, advice, or expertise. So rather than in discussion, arguments, ballot boxes, the place to hit is in wallet, and the tool is the court.

    There is a youtube guy, Barbarosaaa, a young black engineering student that is MRA/MGTOW, and he has some powerful video essays. He claims that PUA is very damaging to men because it feeds the ego of women with heightened attention, obsession of men with women, and the heightened level of approaches has turned them all into attention whores of even higher level than before. Some of Roosh’s comments support this assertion.

    Whatever, everyone has to do what they have to do.

    I saw an interesting stat yesterday about birth control. A study interviewed women about birth control. It said that condom use among men in 93.5% and only 6% have stopped using condoms due to dissatisfaction. I don’t exactly know what the study asked, and it might have been something like “Which methods have your partners used in the past year(s)”. So I can’t determine if the men to which they refer always used condoms or merely had used condoms at some point”.

    But 93.5% pretty high and meaningful that even in committed relationships and LTRs, men are continuing to use condoms. There is a lot of analysis and explanation about why the birth rate is falling and whether it is due to women or to men.

    But 93.5% is significant and very telling. I would say that is an incredible example of Men Going Their Own Way.

    • P Ray

      He claims that PUA is very damaging to men because it feeds the ego of women with heightened attention, obsession of men with women, and the heightened level of approaches has turned them all into attention whores of even higher level than before.
      On the other hand, you are dealing with women who want to take advantage of men who DON’T understand where PUA is coming from. In other words “Be my NICEGUY and I’ll cocktease you”.
      Those women put themselves first … return the favour.

  • TMG

    I agree with this but I think pushing men’s rights is outreach to get men to GTOW.

    Proselytizing men’s rights is a hullabaloo. When blue-pill addicts wander by to see what the fuss is about, they are exposed to MGTOW ideas.

  • Mavwreck

    How do you guys define “egalitarianism”? Do you think it means equality of opportunity, or equality of outcome? If you don’t want to restrict this to economic terms, do you think it means “all people are identical” or “all people have equal dignity and are worthy of respect”?

    I suppose I should be asking “what do you think feminists mean by egalitarianism?

    • Apollo

      Depends on what Feminists you ask I guess. Or in other words, Im sure that if I say what I believe, that Feminists think that the sexes are pretty much identical, and that equality of outcome is what they are after, you will be able to point to one or more Feminists who dont think that. You can say “No, Feminists dont think that at all! Heres a quote of a handpicked Feminist saying something different”. And if I then provide a quote of another Feminst saying something that supports my assertion, I can then get to hear that she is on the fringe, not representative of current mainstream Feminist thought. No True Feminist. Because of this I dont think debating the point about what Feminists want, or what they intend at is at all useful, because its too slippery a definition. The goalposts move.

      Looking a the effect of implementing Feminist policies however, is a different kettle of fish. Feminists want equality in some area, lets say employment. We institute policies to try and make it happen. To determine the efficacy of said policies we then need to measure how well they are doing. And what gets measured? Outcomes. How many women doing certain types of jobs. How many women in certain positions of authority. How much are those women getting paid in comparison to men. Then, if those numbers dont match up, if women arent equally represented, whatever the reason, then “more needs to be done”. Regardless of the intention, equality of outcomes is what gets measured, so that, in effect, is what we aim to achieve.

      I dont care what Feminists want, I only care about what results from their actions. Adults need to care about and be responsible for the consequences of their actions. So, Im judging Feminists by “big girl” standards, and the judgement is not positive.

  • DLV Master

    I’m only repeating those above me, but great post, and brilliant author bio.

  • Hari or Harry? (confusedmale25@yahoo.com)

    “There are reasons why men need to dig the ditches and pour the concrete.”

    But in the Land of Hari, India, women are digging ditches and pouring concrete and the Haris are ok with that because of caste, cows and curry.

  • Anonymous

    So true. MGTOW works REALLY well if you know about your ancestry and family history. MRA is only effective if backed by firepower. Every single major conflict was settled by war in the United States. I think the courts are a stupid way to fight because it is one of the most feminist places ever.

    MGTOW works because you can create a plan then follow it. There are millions of single women around the world plus growing job opportunites in many exciting sectors. The world is yours!

    Make sure that if you decide to go your own way that you do it ASAP. Your 20′s is better than your 30′s. You are still young and have your whole life ahead of you. This allows you to come from a position of strength. If you go your own way at an older age, then you really need to be careful because there are many sharks overseas waiting to sink their teeth into your wallet and soul.

  • http://dannyfrom504.wordpress.com dannyfrom504

    thank you for this. seriously.

    one thing i hate about the sphere is i’m not MRA enough (even though i’ve stated openly on several occasions that i refuse to get married) because *GASP* i actually like women and do enjoy their company. then, i’m not PUA enough since i don’t sarge and crap, despite me describing actual interactions with women that i’ve PROVEN work. hell, even a few of the other bloggers tried my “you’re gonna end up pregnant line” and Roissy posted one of my comments about non-verbal openers that i’ve used 1000′s of time. but you know what.

    fuck that shit. i’m me. i know what works, i know how to read a woman, and i don’t give a fuck who thinks what about what. i know where i stand, and i’m actually kinda glad my site is relatively unknown.

    less drama.

    stay up.

  • http://www.backlash.com Rod Van Mechelen

    Great article!

  • derthal

    There are fresh ideas to implement bachelor tax (pl. bykowe) in Poland for bachelors and even childless marriages (essentially for childless people over 40). Polish Social Insurance Board is about to collapse. :D

  • TBird

    Any aware man “goes his own way”. But the MGTOW movement, judging from the forums and YouTube channels I’ve seen espousing this label, is full of celibate video-game players who have basically been squeezed out of the both the economic and sexual marketplaces. Maybe I’m just going my own way to such an extent that I’m not interested in any label. I certainly don’t care whether I’m any part of any movement that wants to bring down the evil edifice of society one masturbatory afternoon at a time.

    • P Ray

      is full of celibate video-game players who have basically been squeezed out of the both the economic and sexual marketplaces and are NOT PAYING FOR WOMEN who think of them only as compensation for their previous poor dating/relationship choices.

      I think that’s pretty smart.

  • http://nada.com Ghost

    Well, I completely support you doing w/e you want because you want to. But, just going to point out that you probably had NOTHING to do with any of those major advancements or pouring concrete or anything like that. You probably currently live off the money from this website, and your catering to MRAs as a news source. Which is fine, but has nothing to do with social advancement you credit male-kind for.

    • Anonymous

      As have Shakespeare and most other playwrights and authors of fiction.

      They offer learning and inspiration in the course of learning about the great men of the past. That is its own form and utility for “social advancement for male-kind”.

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  • fidelbogen

    Don’t bore us with artificial distinctions between artificial categories — i.e. “MRA” and “MGTOW”. I am personally as much “MRA” as I am “MGTOW”, but I reject both labels because I transcend them.

    So please, please, please, knock off the bullshit!

    • Anonymous

      Although you personally bridge both categories, many of the people involved in creating the content label themselves with one or the other category.

  • Huck Finn

    Good article Harry

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  • gunslingergregi

    in my town there is only one plumber who does the pipe from the street to the house at a reasonable price of 2500 bucks to tear up the street the only other plumber in the area that does it wanted to charge 6 grand
    the plumber that did it for 2500 said his bondsman wanted him to stop doing it cause it wasen’t cost effective
    so if he stopped doing it basically if your turn on valve stops working from the street you ain’t gonna have water and ain’t gonna be able to get it fixed for under 6 grand
    yea opportunity in actually doing shit and fixing shit apparently nobody wants to do it

  • gunslingergregi

    if your gonna go your own way you can only really do that with money otherwise you are always at someone elses mercy

  • Phantom

    The author’s bio is a stroke of genius :)

    • EastAsianNationalist

      This is a seminal article that every man should read, and pass on to their sons.

      “Men’s Rights” is playing right into the feminists contest for victimhood. The liberals don’t take anything seriously unless you have a claim to victimhood. That playing field should be disregarded entirely. Do not get pulled into an oppression contest with them.Fighting feminism requires no pity or moral high ground to begin with.

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  • MGTOW.COM

    MGTOW is basically the statement of self-ownership and saying that
    only you have the right to decide what your goals in life should be.

    It is saying that, as a man I will not surrender my will to the social
    expectations of women and society, because both have become hostile
    against masculinity.

    Identifying yourself as MGTOW is not something that in any way limits your options in life. In fact the opposite is true.

    If it is your own real will, you can still do all the things that
    society expects from you. Being MGTOW just adds all the other
    possibilities to your options too.

    You do not have to ignore women. If you want you can be a pick up artist
    who gets more a** than a toilet seat, you can avoid relationships with
    women or you can marry your high school sweetheart and have three kids.
    You can do whatever you want.

    As long as you believe that your own happiness and interests are more
    important than social expectations and you make your decisions based on
    that, you can consider yourself as one of the MGTOW – Men Going Their
    Own Way.

    Men deserve to live for themselves. There is no need to live as a free servant for someone else because of your gender.
    Live for yourself and let others do the same. Live and let live.

  • Richard W1

    Of course you can challenge egalitarian principals. They are nothing more than pipe dreams. A FAIRY TALE.

    A small child dreams of princesses and castles and fairyland and whilst that ideal world can exist in thought, the real world is one of action and consequence and this is : “A proven mathematical law of physics that cannot be changed”.

    You can no more have equality than have the earth being orbited by the sun. In a hundred years time, people will look back and laugh at egalitarian ideals, communism, feminism, national socialism etc. etc. and see it with the same comical lens, we see things like the Spanish inquisition and the Catholic churches repression of science and scientists.

    Trying to install equality into a society, removes incentive. IT IS MATHEMATICAL Thus egalitarian principals can be shown not only mathematically to be totally false, but have also been shown in the past, practically speaking, in real life to be an abject failure .

    The nanny state DOES NOT WORK. And feminism requires the nanny state. It is nothing more than a branch of communism.

    It has been absolutely and totally proven without a doubt that communism in the Soviet Union, China and other nations was a total failure. It can be said that any leader swept to power on principals of equality for all, is more likely to cause terrible economic and social decay, even install secret police and commit murders, far more than he is likely to actually improve society.

    Although western governments lately seem intent on plunging themselves into socialism, as Margaret Thatcher so eloquently put it, the problem with socialism is you quickly run out of other people’s money to spend. The reason for this is because you are stripping money out from the most productive layers of society and feeding it to the least productive, with all that filtered through Govt. and possible corruption etc. Meanwhile on both sides incentive is removed. A business owner won’t open a new factory because he is forced to pay wages that are falsely set too high, and is stripped of wealth by high taxes, even faced with confiscation of this business through Govt. agencies. Why bother. ? The worker doesn’t need to work because he is equal, he has state handouts and protections.

    When the Berlin Wall came down, the workers from East Germany were shocked that they had to work so hard. They were used to all kinds of workers rights and days off and total inefficiency. The West Germans initially found them virtually unemployable. They thought that business owners were utterly abusive for expecting them to meet quality and performance targets.

    You see, the larger welfare state you build, the less incentive there is for anyone to work. The more you try to control free market forces, the less incentive there is for anyone to do anything, until you wind up with bread queues, shortages and etc. The minute the Polish took away price controls on food, suddenly their market places were over night jammed with farmers bringing produce in. There was INCENTIVE.

    Worse still the very concept of equality in the human sphere is utterly flawed. Humans are not equal. Let’s take the equality drive to it’s absolute conclusion :

    Why have an Olympic Games if everyone is equal, just give gold medals to all the athletes. But that would be unfair to non athletes, better give medals to everyone in the world. What about unborn babies, household pets, can’t be unfair to them, they need Gold Olympic medals too.

    Now you have an utter nonsense that could only found in communist states, with factories churning out useless medals in their billions, burning resources on a pointless extravagant waste of time. A small portion of the population is happy they are being awarded their Olympic Gold Medal, but the value of the medal is less than zero, because everyone has one and vast resources have been consumed producing them at the expense of other human endeavors.

    This is equality. How wonderful, everyone in the world has an Olympic Gold Medal, even my dog and cat have one. What a fantastic world we live in.

    But wait, if everyone is equal then everyone must win an Oscar for best actor too, and a Grammy, and a Golden Globe, and everyone should have a P.hD in Astro Physics and Brain Surgery too….. You see how pointless equality is. It debases anything of value it touches, because all value in the human sphere is created by human endeavor. Competitive Spirit, ambition, drive, determination, and 99% by sheer hard work and sweat. Not only that it mis-allocates resources. A few years after being elected as world president after promising everyone Oscars and Gold Medals, basic infrastructure is now failing because, no one needs to work, with all the medals they are getting and there is no one left to work because they are too busy making and distributing more and more medals.

    Feminism is worse and more evil than communism, because debases the interactions between male and females, who are the foundation of all humanity. It depolarizes the complimentary, symbiotic relationship between care givers, nurturers, mothers, soft kind feminine attitudes, which when off set and balanced by hard male logic and action, built all of society.

    Certainly with the technology we have that balance can be changed from being defined purely by a female human on one side and a male human on the other side. Roles could be exchanged, but polarity must exist. An electron cannot just demand to be a proton because it’s bored of being an electron, or it feels life is unfair doing all the orbiting and now it wants a go being the proton at the center of the atom. If all of matter demanded equality, reality would cease to exist.

    If all humans are equal or all males and females are equal, how can they have a polarity to procreate ? If all men must also change nappies and all women must wield machine guns and learn how to drive heavy equipment, we have a society of jack and jill of all trades, master of none.

    DAFT !.

    What is worse in the human sphere, is by forcing everyone to be equal, you simply reduce anyone with unique skills and qualities down to the base level of the least intelligent, least productive. If we are all to be equal, no one must speak up, no one must learn anything new beyond the dumbest person on earth so we can all be equal.

    Now when someone grows a bit too intelligent, stands out from the average base you better cut them down. By murder if necessary. Otherwise equality will not be maintained. It’s pointless.

    What of the woman only 4ft 6 high, small thin and weak. She could be a great mother, but she must be equal with a 6ft 6, Navy Seal, that has been trained to kill. So should the Navy Seal have his legs chopped off and be starved or are you going to put the woman on an aggressive course of hormones and treatments ?

    EQUALITY = FALLACY

    MATHEMATICS CANNOT BE DISPUTED.

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