The 5 Socioeconomic Tiers Of Colombian Women

Nice article! I’m guessing the tiers are the same for guys…so what tier are you Faust?

Why are Tier 1/Tier 2 girls a bad prospect in Colombia? In, say, Thailand, it seems lower class girls are quite willing to have sex with foreign men, either to take a shot at a lifestyle improvement, or simply for fun because they have nothing to lose. Are Tier I girls in Colombia more religious than the more liberal/educated Tier III girls? Or would they be DTF and the problem is simply a logistical one, because it’s too dangerous to venture into the areas where they would be found?

Thanks for the article confirming the lessons in Roosh’s book. It’s just confirms for me how good his insight analysis is.

tier 4 girls are the ones on univision i used to wack my bag to when i was 12 watching llevatelo, el gordo y la flaca.

Colombian girls (pending they are not fat) are simply great.Once you go latin-there is noway back.

I got a ton of Colombia experience. As much as any Gringo on this site. I have had “boots on the ground” in more places in Colombia than 95% of Colombians.

I used social media, the Cupid sites. In Colombia, the question that is relevant in the US “If she’s hot then why is she on a site?” is far less so in Colombia. I had good luck with them but flakey shit is high on the sites. And I think 20% are thieves and are playing you. If any Colombian girl ever asks for money on a site or hints at it, like “woe is me. I got problems.” delete her. Just kill the session and delete her. Statistically you come out ahead.

I agree with the claim that Colombians are notoriously flakey. And I created a hard set of rules to preserve dignity and not waste time.

So go with this idea, “La Pareja Ideal”. Pareja means “couple” in Spanish and to men, it has that definition. But to a woman, her pareja is “the man” with a long “e”, the one. Rollo Tomassi calls it genuine desire. If she doesn’t see you as “the man” then she will be the worst flake you ever met.

Your signs that you are not the man are

1) Your calls go to message.
2) She comes late for dates, as much as an hour.
3) She has an excuse not to see you.

If they like you, they answer your calls, they are not horribly late, and she wants to see you. If you go 2 consecutive nights and don’t see a girl, you are not the man. Ghost her.

If you see any of this, ghost her. That Colombian girl has that phone in her hand. If even one of your calls go to message, you better re-evaluate your situation and prepare to ghost, and certainly start approaching others.

If you make a date with her and when she shows up for the date, she brought a friend, then walk away. Bail right then. I recommend you have her come to your hotel or apartment in a cab. If there is second girl in that car. Go back inside. Other men would think this is harsh and premature. But I never had a girl that showed up with another girl that turned into anything more than her just wanting to use me as a way to pay for the night out for the two of them and leave me standing there with dick in my hand. They want to go to most expensive places and your gringo ass is the ticket. I would tell her up front not to come with a friend because women that come with friends “no son seria y no quiere relacion bien” , they aren’t serious about a relationship, they just want a night out. I think the whole bringing the girlfriend thing is a shit test. Don’t stand for it. And don’t waste your time. You are better off heading to some disco alone and approaching. Don’t waste your time or your money. Bail.

Also, get a cell phone. You can take some kind of unlocked phone with you. But can also buy one there. There are whole districts or streets in the bigger cities that sell second hand phones with sim cards. It’s like stolen hubcaps in America. You get your phone stolen and the thief sells to a dealer and the dealer sells it to the public. But they are cheaper and it is better to have even an old non-smart phone than nothing. Your hotel will know where these places are. You can actually buy a Comcel sim card online for a prepaid phone. First, the cellular system and the land system are not integrated. You call cell phones from cell phones and land lines from land lines. And like here, land lines are dying and cell is the thing. There are lots of vendors on the street that have a sign that says “Minutos” minutes and they have cell phones and you make a call and then pay them. Often there are several in a single block. But having a phone makes all the difference and not having one will lead to getting flaked more. If your Spanish is shit then use texts. It is hard to underspand Spanish on a cell phone in Colombia. Also, most of the malls have free wi-fi. You can use Google translate and compose a message then one of the minutos guys to send the text. But get your own phone. I took a vonage box with me and paid for international calling plan. I could call land lines for free and paid about the same as you would per minute with a prepaid phone. You can bridge the Cat-5 network cable jack to the wireless card and plug that vonage box into the side of your laptop and call cell phones in Colombia. It’s not great quality but it as good as crappy cell phone. The international connections are less dependable. But it works. But having a cell phone is still better.

Also the Questions that Roosh wrote about that Ukranian girls use to shit test you are the same in Colombia. Why are you here? How long will you be here? Why don’t have a woman where you live? And one Roosh didn’t list, Why are you divorced? I don’t think the situation for Colombian girls is as dire as maybe Ukrainians. Colombian women are starting to run that country and the standard of living is improving. But no woman wants to “waste the pretty” on a dead end thing with no payoff. There is quite an aversion to “aventuras” adventures, where the men come to Colombia to play and fuck then bail on the woman. They assume that is what you are doing and shit test the fuck out of you to verify it. But by using the web sites, you sort of get pre-qualified. It depends on you on your morality level. What to say. I went to school for Spanish in EAFIT university and no one seemed to have issues when I said I was studying. EAFIT is big name private school so that helped and also having some real details and I guess actually doing it and not lying about it helped. I don’t know. I usually had good luck in Colombia. I am tall, blond, big, blue eyed and speak Spanish. If I had actually learned to dance it would have heaven for me. More on that below.

The best advice I can also give was said in this post. Dance. I didn’t and it fucked me. In Colombia, everyone dances. Grandmothers dance. You will be left alone in the table area while the rest of place dances. And motherfuckers will steal your woman right out from under you. Colombian men are not mealy mouthed like Americans. Those motherfuckers statistically have some of the biggest dicks in the world and they are loaded with testosterone in a way you are not. You can smell it on them. And they have no qualms about swooping in and taking that woman. They talk to woman better than you do. Especially in Cali. Those guys are famous Casanovas. So before you go, take some latin dancing class. At least learn enough to have the steps in your head. And fucking dance. Get over it. Have the girl teach you. But get your ass on the floor. It’s body to body dancing and that girl will grind that pussy on your knee. Latinas are happy women by nature. Some drinks, dancing, and it means more than all the game strategy you have. If you could go 4 or 5 songs and dance OK, then slam alcohol with her then go back and dance, you are well on the way and you don’t need to say shit more than “you’re pretty” and “te quiero mucho”" “me haces loco” you make me crazy.

Also there is word in Colombian Spanish picar, picardia. It means “pick” like to pick at a sore, poke, tease. Colombian women like hombres pacardios. So cocky funny works. All the same rules apply there. Do not hesitate to kiss her. Touch her. They don’t have the same bullshit hangups, by a long shot, a American girls. And use push pull except literally push and pull her with abrupt manner changes, protest when she says no and push her away, be indignant, then pull her right back. The seductive voice with them is you are almost a little boy on the other side of door trying to convice her to open it. It almost has a whine to it, Ammoooor, Peeeero Te quierrrro Mucho, Mucho.. Then abrupt on the push “BIEN” Kino is king. Colombian girls like to dominated. If you get to fuck them, spank them, pull their hair. push her face into the mattress. I have even stepped on their face and held it down. Kiss them hard, Shove as much of your hand as you can into her vagina. Anal is conventional in Colombia. So if you can work back from that, that she wants to be dominated by you, so do it from the beginning. Like one manosphere guy said “She will forgive you for being a man, but not for being a pussy.” You can say shit to them you cannot say to an American girl. You can say “Come here. I need to tell you something.” Pull her close and say “Dame un beso” give me a kiss. If she says no, argue, Si. Dame un beso. If she says no say “Por que no” Why no? “Quiero” I want it. And she will say “Ok just one little one” and you argue “NO” Dame un BESO. It works. She thinks it’s funny. She is not insulted. Boys kiss girls.

Also, drink aguardiente sin azucar (sugarless). There are few reasons. All discos and bars in Colombia do bottle service. Aguardiente is Colombian and it is cheaper. But it will not give you hangover in the morning. You will feel strange, slow, tired but no hangover with pounding head. The difference is amazing. They say it is because it has no sugar. And use that as your excuse to drink it. All the Colombians do. Second, it is a shot drink. It tastes a little like licorice. It has special nozzle thing on it and the liquor comes out slower. They give you these little cups like pill cups, smaller than even that cup on the top of a Nyquil bottle. You pour a shot and you drink it, slam it. Do not take any alcohol from anybody that you did not watch get poured in front of you. If it might appear rude to reject it, take it and then throw it the ground when you can. I got drugged and taken to an ATM. It is not common but it happens. So the aguardiente and the excuse “only aguardiente because no hangover” insures you pour the drink yourself or watch it poured. And it is good buzz. But watch your ass. Do not get wasted unless you know the people you are with. Aguardiente is strong and can fuck you up like any shot drink. It is milder than Schnapps but treat it just like Scnapps. So drink aguardiente. Use the “no hangover” excuse.

Also, do not take women on public transportation. You disrespect them. Poor people ride mass transit. The women do when they are alone. But you better take their asses in Taxis. If you really want to throw money away but make a big deal, Milano Car rents cars, better cars than avis or hertz. And they are in every city, but you will pay. The insurance is mandatory and included in the price. But I don’t think you can get off a plane and just drive in Colombia. After a week you could. Most of signs are the same. But those drivers are far more aggressive than US drivers. Colombia is kind of weird. There are fewer laws but more social prohibition about some things, more self regulation. But traffic laws are not in that category. They are not insane like in other places, but they drive faster, those lines on the street are “serving suggestions” and they will honk the fuck out of that horn. So use taxis. And prepare to get fucked in the Taxi but just get over it. Assume that driver will generally turn a 10 block trip into 20. Not in Bogota. Bogota has zones and it is fixed price within and between the zones. But in the other cities, the longer the distance then the less flakey they will be. I don’t know if Bogota still has insecurity about Taxis but there was thing for a while where robbers would stop a cab, shoot the driver, then ride around being a Taxi for the night, keeping the money for the fares and looking for you. When they got a fare, like your white ass, that they thought had money, they made a coded call, went to some location and a guy pops out with a gun and they haul your ass to an ATM. So the whole town of Bogota was freaked for a while. I told a driver in Medellin I was going to Bogota and he said watch your ass in those taxis. I never had an incident and I got sick of people coddling me and I started venturing out alone. But remember, Colombia is safe, but it isn’t the US. I walked the streets alone a lot at night like 2 or 3 am but my ass is big and I knew Colombia better than you will. I hear Bogota is much safer now and I never had any reason to feel afraid in every other city. But you should pretty much take Taxis. Most fares will be less than 10,000 pesos at 1,800 pesos to the dollar, so maybe 6 bucks.

Also, go to the fucking dentist while you are there. At least get your teeth cleaned and whitened. It is dirt cheap. If you have any filling older than a few years, drill it out and replace it. The dentists are as good or better than US dentists. If you have an old crown, replace it if you have time, 3 or 4 days, maybe less. A crown in Colombia is $100 bucks. US dentists are fucking thieves. And you will have a nice white smile and better breath for approaching. There are some chain places called Smile Center and they are everywhere in Colombia. Look them up online. But I would just walk in to any dentist office. Even if you don’t speak Spanish, the dentist might and they will work it out if they don’t. They won’t fuck you over. Trust them. Let them do their thing and hand them your debit card after it is over.

I would also open a second bank account in the US and get a second debit card to take with you. Close the account when you get back, but having a second card will come in handy. Your debit card will work as a credit card in Colombia, but Colombia is about 90% a cash place. There are ATMs everywhere. A lot of time it will be the first thing you do when you get in a cab, go get money. If your card has a $500 limit, you might have days where you need more. And if you lose it then at least you have a backup to get your through. The rates are actually cheaper than an ATM that isn’t in your system in the US. I think 1% of whatever you withdrawal. Leave your passport secure in your room. Carry a copy and use your Driver’s License but normally you won’t have show ID for nothing. I used my debit card at supermarkets and had to show ID there. But do not go out at night with a passport. If you lose it or it gets stolen you are fucked. You have to go to Bogota to get another or you will not be able to board the plane to return.

Vacation apartments are the thing in Colombia more than hotels. Search the web using Colombia Vacation Apartments. You won’t remember this, but search for Colombian annuncios, they are like craigs list. In fact, use craigs list. Also VRBO.com and Homeaway.com have them but they are more expensive. El tiempo, the main bogota paper, has a dedicated real estate page and under the top heading it has “turismo” and apartments for rent.

Getting together for dates is quite a pain. The women are notoriously late. It is a shit test and a show of power by the women. 30 minutes is actually early. 45 minutes is common. Colombians do not respect the clock like Americans. It is the biggest difference between them and us. Me, I would tell the girls to come to where I staying in a cab and then you will get in the cab with them. If you make arrangements to meet them at a public place then your ass will be waiting. At least you are at your place waiting. It got to the point where if I had a date for 9pm then I would start getting dressed at 9pm and fuck around while I doing it. If they are late and do not answer your cell call, then you are getting flaked. Bail.

Roosh had a great idea about testing for a flake. If the girl is a “good girl”, not a party girl, not a facebook princess, then it might have blow back. But you make a date for example on Thursday night but don’t give an actual time or destination. Tell her you will send her a text with final instructions on Thursday afternoon. Then don’t send the text. If she isn’t a flake then she will text you with something “What are we doing?” If she doesn’t text then she was a flake and either blew you off, forgot about you, or intentionally was fucking with you.

I would be very hard, very brutal using game stuff. I would make 4 dates for the same night if I could, and go with whoever shows first or whoever made the best effort to coordinate with you and who seemed the most serious. I think the Bogota women and Cali women are less flakey than Medellin women. The whole gringo thing has been stomped over in Medellin. Right now in Colombian Cupid there are 80 Americans that list Medellin as their city and have logged into the page in the past 24 hours. And that doesn’t count Europeans. Bogota has maybe 10 and those guys are generally geekier than the Medellin guys. Cali and Barranquilla have next to none. So being American is not special at all in Medellin. Every girl has had experience or a friend that has experience. And they think you have a little dick. I literally had to challenge one. I said I’m 6’3″ 200 pounds, my hand is bigger than your face. Do you really think I have a little dick? Most of the guys that come down here a geeks that are not successful in America, small guys, older guys, bald guys and not prime time alphas so you can understand why they believe what they believe.

One thing this post didn’t really talk about was the big difference between the cities. Bogota is the capital and women are the most feminist in Colombia. And some of them are pretty feminist. Not screamers but they have that Independent Woman thing. The government is there. The other Colombians call them Rolos or Rolas. And rolo means “official” (oficio) and the Rolo thing was a slur among the other cities but Colombians are pretty independent and these motherfuckers throw when they don’t get along. I once read a old State Department Communique trail that would describe how shit would break out in one little city and spread to others. Motherfuckers killing each other back in the 1920s. And the wealthy in one place didn’t like Bogota telling them shit to do. The girls in Bogota are more sophisticated, less country-ass like, even Medellin, better hair and nails. Many have degrees. The north part of Bogota is kind of what Colombia hopes to be. The kids all get braces, they grew up on Cable TV. They are taller. They finish school. They go to college. They are hip. They are connected and wired. A bitch princess in Bogota is the same as in the US. The drug wars and the Civil war pretty much stopped in 2005 and these kids have grown up without the stress of that on them. Bogota has changed dramatically in that time. In 2005, it didn’t have near the quality of nightlife sort of restaurants it has today. It has Hard Rock, Hooters, and spiffy dig me kind of restaurants. Back then you didn’t go out at night. Also motherfuckers got killed in those wars. 500,000 alone in the civil war. I have no numbers for the drug wars. Those deaths get folded into crime statistics. Women hauled ass from little towns and piled into Medellin and Bogota. And the service economy that grew up, more corporations, more exports, bigger government made jobs for women. And the doctors and dentists are probably majority women, and Lawyers also. So those cities are good for women and suck for Colombian men. So in the age groups 25 and over, there are more women than men. Medellin is ridiculous. The city alone has 1.3 million women and 1.1 million men. And there are 5 million in the whole Aburre Valley where Medellin is located, so extrapolate that shit out, 20% more women, probably 500,000 more women then men in the Medellin metro area. In 2006, I was in a food court in Bogota and every table had one guy and two girls, maybe a couple and some girl friend or relative. I remember being in apartment in north Bogota with a 43 year old, a 31 year old, and a 20 year old woman, I was with the 31 year old but would soon be returning to the US. The 43 year old had no hope of a commited relationship. She had a fuck buddy who every now and then dropped by to nail her. The 20 year had a boyfriend who was working in the US at WaterWorld or something on a summer work visa. So 3 generations of women with no immediate local options for a man drinking hot chocolate and eating cookies on a Saturday night. I personally know of 3 men in Medellin that were murdered. I don’t even know anyone in the US that died in a car crash. So that is the big reason you go to Colombia and not Panama or Venezuela. There is a demographic imbalance in women. If you got balls, go southeast of the Andes to Huila. That was the edge of Guerilla country and there were more “disappearances” per capita then other places. Bogota and Medellin account for about 80% of the GDP of Colombia with 13 million out of 44 million people. So the rest of the country 31 million people split the other 20% of the GDP. So the rest of the country is far less well off. And you look a little more like RockStar. Those places have been poor so long, they just work it out. They have a better party with some plastic chairs and a band an accordion and some bongos then some places have with a giant US style disco with lights and boomer sound system. They get a box of rum, yes, a box, and pass that shit around and smoke joints, start dancing and bump and grind with those girls. But your ass better speak Spanish to do that and go there. I would go there. The women would think you were an oil man. Bogota has a big EDM scene, electronica music. Name DJs come to town. I would think that might be a spot to try. Search google for Bogota Electronica. There is a web page BogotaElectronica.com that lists events, clubs. I would go there if I were you. Some dude name Marco Bailey from Belgium has a show on Feb 1. He then has a date in Cali and then Chicago. So it’s not small time shit. There’s 8 million people in Bogota and even if only .5% want to see electronica bands thats a bunch of people. So it would be a scene where dancing was the thing, probably a lot ecstacy around and fucked up people and I guarantee your ass, you will be about the only Gringo up in there. And you know how to do that, how to dance. The girls are going to be more American girl wannabees.

I am rambling. I have practically written my own Bang Colombia. If you got any questions just post them here and I will monitor this thread. I generally will have a fucking answer. I don’t know a lot about Barranquilla. I just drove through it a couple of times and have had some interaction with women from their. But the rest of the major places, I know pretty damn well. I know Medellin and Cali very well and Bogota pretty well. My first years in Colombia were in Bogota, then Medellin, then Cali. I like Cali. There women are cute, the climate is hot, the pot is cheaper, and I trust the people more than Medellin. But I have spent so much time there, and on the internet, that I could usually point you in the right direction.

Any way. Happy hunting. Ping me if I can help.